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Do I really need a HD lens.

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JohnR

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Post Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:09 am

Do I really need a HD lens.

Do I really need to use an HD lens with the Sony PDW-700? I have heard reports of people using SD lenses on HDCAM cameras and getting really good results. Some tests I have seen even suggest that in some cases older, pre internal focus lenses can out perform some of the modern high zoom ratio internal focus lenses. Before I spend a fortune on a new lens I want to make sure that I am really getting good value for my money.
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alisterchapman

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Post Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:38 pm

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

OK, here's my take on the situation.

If money is no problem then the safest bet is to purchase a good quality HD lens, expect to spend at least £8k.

If you budget is restricted then the situation is much less clear. There are now several low cost 2/3" HD lenses designed for cameras such as the Panasonic HPX500. In my opinion these lenses are just not worth the money. They might be cheap (£4k ish) but the one's I've played with have been pretty grim, suffering from lots of CA and soft corners.

If your on a tight budget the best thing you can do is take your camera to a good dealer and go through their second hand lenses, trying them on the camera. Check for resolution (use a chart), corner softness, CA and contrast. I did this and ended up with a Canon 16x8x2 IF lens. I found that lenses with lower zoom ratios tended to be better than those with higher ratios. I'm really pleased with my lens and when compared to the latest HD equivalents I can not tell the difference in real world use. It certainly outperforms all the budget HD lenses I've tried.

One interesting thing that I have discovered in my research into this subject is that Contrast is what makes the biggest difference in lens performance, not simply resolution as one might expect. Visually the next thing you notice is CA. This is a tough one as when you increase the resolution or sharpness of a lens you also tend to increase the CA.

Until lens manufacturers start to release MTF curves for their lenses the only thing we have as buyers to go on is the advertising blurb. It's easy for a manufacturer to claim improved performance or new glass or other technology, but without accurate MTF curves it's all pretty meaningless. You would only need the tiniest resolution improvement to be able to claim that you new HD lens range is sharper than your SD range, it could just be a fraction of a percent difference.
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JohnR

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Post Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:43 pm

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

Thanks for that. It was kind of what I figured.
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Timb

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Post Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:47 am

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

Hi, I run an SD lens on my PDW700 and it has far better CA characteristics than a few HD lenses I have compared it with. Generally images from this lens matches other HD lenses. I have done a few multi camera shoots, with the other camera with HD lenses and no one has been able to pick which lens is which by the images produced.

Hope this helps !

Regards, Tim.
http://www.mindseye.net.au
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Paul Cronin

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Post Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:35 pm

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

Tim which SD lens are you using?
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alisterchapman

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Post Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:21 pm

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

FYI I have a Canon J16x8 XS SD lens and that works reasonably well between f11 an f4. The 2x is a waste of time though.
Alister Chapman
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Paul Cronin

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Post Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:53 pm

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

I have been trying a friends Canon J15x9.5B4 IRS SX12. The results are OK but not as sharp as the stock lens. But it still surprised me how well a SD lens worked. The 2x extender seems to have a lot of CA.
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Camcam2

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Post Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:48 pm

Re: Do I really need a HD lens.

Good justification for the 2/3" market by Mark Schubin. Here are the videos:

http://www.hdcameraguide.com/guide/schubin

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