When is 4:4:4 really 4:4:4

[alisterchapman]

The new Sony F3 will be landing in end users hands very soon. One of the cameras upgrade options is a 4:4:4 RGB output, but is it really 4:4:4 or is it something else?

4:4:4 should mean no chroma sub-sampling, so the same amount of samples for the R, G and B channels. This would be quite easy to get with a 3 chip camera as each of the 3 chips has the same number of pixels, but what about a bayer sensor as used on the F3 and other bayer cameras too for that matter?

If the sensor is subsampling the aerial image B and R compared to G (Bayer matrix, 2x G samples for each R and B) then no matter how you interpolate those samples, the B and R are still sub sampled and data is missing. Potentially depending on the resolution of the sensor even the G may be sub sampled compared to the frame size. In my mind a true 4:4:4 system means one pixel sample for each colour at every point within the image. So for 2k that's 2k R, 2K G and 2K B. For a Bayer sensor that would imply a sensor with twice as many horizontal and vertical pixels as the desired resolution or a 3 chip design with a pixel for each sample on each of the R,G and B sensors. It appears that the F3's sensor has nowhere near this number of pixels, rumour has it at around 2.5k x 1.5k.

If it's anything less than 1 pixel per colour sample, while the signal coming down the cable may have an even number of RGB data streams the data streams won't contain even amounts of picture information for each colour, the resolution of the B and R channels will be lower than the Green, so while the signal might be 4:4:4, the system is not truly 4:4:4. Up-converting the 4:2:2 output from a camera to 4:4:4 does not make it a 4:4:4 camera. This is no different to the situation seen with some cameras with 10 bit HDSDI outputs that only contain 8 bits of data. It might be a 10 bit stream, but the data is only 8 bit. It's like a TV station transmitting an SD TV show on an HD channel. The channel might call itself an HD channel, but the content is still SD even if it has been upscaled to fill in all the missing bits.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there won't be advantages to getting the 4:4:4 output option. By reading as much information as possible from the sensor, prior to compression there should be an improvement over the 4:2:2 HDSDi output, but it won't be the same as the 4:4:4 output from an F35 where there is a pixel for every colour sample, but then the price of the F3 isn't the same as the F35 either!

[Duke M.]

Alister,

Isn't it a bit premature to raise red flags of warning when we don't yet know the true resolution of the sensor and we don't know yet know if the sensor uses a traditional bayer pattern or another pattern?

(Although given the moire and aliasing at ultra high frequencies I do believe something is going on "under the hood.")